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	<title>Comments for STOP HS2 - The national campaign against High Speed Rail 2</title>
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	<description>HS2 - No business case, No environmental case, No money to pay for it.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Correcting inconsistency in HS2 Consultation Summary Report by Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 37,000 is the number who made a comment on question 6 specifically - not all responses answered all questions.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Correcting inconsistency in HS2 Consultation Summary Report by Elaine L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At one point they told us 55000 responded. Some how it now becomes 37000. Numbers keep changing and information are hidden. Anyway, surely there are serious lack of competency in Dft for sure. How can anyone even trust their judgement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one point they told us 55000 responded. Some how it now becomes 37000. Numbers keep changing and information are hidden. Anyway, surely there are serious lack of competency in Dft for sure. How can anyone even trust their judgement?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rayleigh Waves and HS2 by Isle_of_Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isle_of_Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The research is generally applicable and not exclusively for HS2. The ESPRC website gives the details at http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/NGBOViewGrant.aspx?GrantRef=EP/H027262/1. 

You will see that when the Telegraph stated &quot;Professor Woodward, ... and a colleague, Prof Mike Forde of Edinburgh University, have now been awarded almost £500,000 by the Government to investigate the issue&quot; it should read &quot;Professor Woodward, ... and a colleague, Prof Mike Forde of Edinburgh University, were awarded almost £500,000 two years ago by the Government to investigate the issue&quot; (£334,485 + £145,325 totalling £479,810 to be precise).

The research programme does not end until May 2013 so why should work in progress be made freely available - would a painter exhibit a portrait before it was finished? There is overall no real secrecy - this is old news regurgitated by the Telegraph in a sensationalist way and (very sensibly) not wanting to discuss the work with a journalist does not make the work &#039;secret&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The research is generally applicable and not exclusively for HS2. The ESPRC website gives the details at <a href="http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/NGBOViewGrant.aspx?GrantRef=EP/H027262/1" rel="nofollow">http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/NGBOViewGrant.aspx?GrantRef=EP/H027262/1</a>. </p>
<p>You will see that when the Telegraph stated &#8220;Professor Woodward, &#8230; and a colleague, Prof Mike Forde of Edinburgh University, have now been awarded almost £500,000 by the Government to investigate the issue&#8221; it should read &#8220;Professor Woodward, &#8230; and a colleague, Prof Mike Forde of Edinburgh University, were awarded almost £500,000 two years ago by the Government to investigate the issue&#8221; (£334,485 + £145,325 totalling £479,810 to be precise).</p>
<p>The research programme does not end until May 2013 so why should work in progress be made freely available &#8211; would a painter exhibit a portrait before it was finished? There is overall no real secrecy &#8211; this is old news regurgitated by the Telegraph in a sensationalist way and (very sensibly) not wanting to discuss the work with a journalist does not make the work &#8216;secret&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Correcting inconsistency in HS2 Consultation Summary Report by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wonder what the other 21440 said?

still waiting for WCML peak time loadings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonder what the other 21440 said?</p>
<p>still waiting for WCML peak time loadings</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rayleigh Waves and HS2 by hsno</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would pose the question - If the Gov is so confident that this is not an issue why is research not being made freely avaialble?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would pose the question &#8211; If the Gov is so confident that this is not an issue why is research not being made freely avaialble?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rayleigh Waves and HS2 by Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, it&#039;s a shame you jumped to conclusions about the problems with Rayleigh Waves and HS2 without reading our article and following the links to more information.  Like we said, Rayleigh Waves have been brought up in connection with HS2, since a couple of days after the HS2 announcement in 2010.  They were brought up during the Transport Select Committee inquiry in 2011, and have been the subject of FOI requests last year.  

If you don&#039;t like the Telegraph article, you might get better results if you complain directly to the Telegraph editorial team.

With regards to the high speed derailment in 1993, Rayleigh Waves weren&#039;t involved in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, it&#8217;s a shame you jumped to conclusions about the problems with Rayleigh Waves and HS2 without reading our article and following the links to more information.  Like we said, Rayleigh Waves have been brought up in connection with HS2, since a couple of days after the HS2 announcement in 2010.  They were brought up during the Transport Select Committee inquiry in 2011, and have been the subject of FOI requests last year.  </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like the Telegraph article, you might get better results if you complain directly to the Telegraph editorial team.</p>
<p>With regards to the high speed derailment in 1993, Rayleigh Waves weren&#8217;t involved in that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rayleigh Waves and HS2 by Charles Norrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Norrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nonense.  The French have tested the TGV ub to 515kph without difficulty.  As speeds get faster adhesion does get more problematic and braking distances are corresponding longer, but the problem could be sorted oyt quite easily with mobile blocks.  

But would be to build HS2 as a maglev line, and in a partially evacuauted tube one would be thinking of speeds for 1000-1000mph or more.  

An evacuated tube from London to Birmingam would not be difficult to dig.  It need not be very deep so would go mainly through subsoil or soft rock. An optimised straightened line running underneath the motorways and existing railways would almost do away with the the need for planning permission as no surface land-take would be required.  

Dig 4 pits at 40 mile intervals along the rooute, placing the first one at about Uxbidge.  Drop two TBMs in each pit one pointing north and the other south. Set them digging and when they&#039;re going they grind out about half a mile of tunnel a week.  Double it as we&#039;ll neeed two tunnels. In less than two years after starting the northen and southern ends of each hole will meet up and you&#039;ve got your tunnel.  

Place a metal plate on the floor of the tunnel, wire it up and put in a maglev train - Birmingham Airport used to have one yonks ago, so its proven technology.  Make the train neraly fit the tunnel and the piston effect can be used to evacuate the tunnel as it passes.  

We&#039;ll need to do s bit of working on docking the &quot;train&quot; at the northern and southern termini, but it isn&#039;t really problematic.  The train would have to sealed as the tunnels essentially a vacuum.

And you&#039;ve got your up to date train system for the 24th century and beyond.  

Now no jokes about the wrong sort of snow on the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nonense.  The French have tested the TGV ub to 515kph without difficulty.  As speeds get faster adhesion does get more problematic and braking distances are corresponding longer, but the problem could be sorted oyt quite easily with mobile blocks.  </p>
<p>But would be to build HS2 as a maglev line, and in a partially evacuauted tube one would be thinking of speeds for 1000-1000mph or more.  </p>
<p>An evacuated tube from London to Birmingam would not be difficult to dig.  It need not be very deep so would go mainly through subsoil or soft rock. An optimised straightened line running underneath the motorways and existing railways would almost do away with the the need for planning permission as no surface land-take would be required.  </p>
<p>Dig 4 pits at 40 mile intervals along the rooute, placing the first one at about Uxbidge.  Drop two TBMs in each pit one pointing north and the other south. Set them digging and when they&#8217;re going they grind out about half a mile of tunnel a week.  Double it as we&#8217;ll neeed two tunnels. In less than two years after starting the northen and southern ends of each hole will meet up and you&#8217;ve got your tunnel.  </p>
<p>Place a metal plate on the floor of the tunnel, wire it up and put in a maglev train &#8211; Birmingham Airport used to have one yonks ago, so its proven technology.  Make the train neraly fit the tunnel and the piston effect can be used to evacuate the tunnel as it passes.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll need to do s bit of working on docking the &#8220;train&#8221; at the northern and southern termini, but it isn&#8217;t really problematic.  The train would have to sealed as the tunnels essentially a vacuum.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;ve got your up to date train system for the 24th century and beyond.  </p>
<p>Now no jokes about the wrong sort of snow on the line.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rayleigh Waves and HS2 by hsno</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it very disturbing that there is no transparency around this issue when the public could be at risk. They should come clean and explain what reasearch is being undertaking and any mitigation being considered. I&#039;m glad it&#039;s appeared in the press this sort of thing should be highlighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it very disturbing that there is no transparency around this issue when the public could be at risk. They should come clean and explain what reasearch is being undertaking and any mitigation being considered. I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s appeared in the press this sort of thing should be highlighted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rayleigh Waves and HS2 by Peter Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;@Elaine Luk: &quot;It’s everywhere in the media questioning about the safety of HS2&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Really - one article has appeared in The Telegraph by Andrew Gilligan, a reporter well known for his visceral hostility to the HS2 project. A synopsis of that article has in turn been syndicated across a number of local titles, virtually all of them in areas close to the route of HS2 - the only other articles are those like this one regurgitated on anti-HS2 campaign websites - so hardly &quot;everywhere in the media&quot; - in fact the entire furore revolves around a single article of dubious validity?

Telegraph articles of this nature are routinely enabled for reader comments but for some reason the article in question lacked this feature - one wonders why? The Gilligan article is blatant scaremongering of worst possible kind - if the anti-HS2 campaign has now sunk to this level it really is in big trouble. 

High Speed Trains already run at the speeds quoted in the article; 360km/h or 225mph. Any cursory search for information about High Speed Trains operating in Europe will reveal that they are amongst the safest in the world - much safer in comparison to conventional classic line technology trainsets. There hasn&#039;t been a single fatality on any TGV train operating on a purpose built (complying with the exact same standards as that applying to HS2 construction) High Speed Line (LGV) since the first service ran between Lyon and Paris in 1981. 

If you really want evidence to prove how safe these trains are, check out details of the High Speed Derailment on at kilometre post 110.5, LGV Nord (Paris-Lille) high speed line, 21st December 1993. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;At 0706, TGV 7150 was bearing down at 294 km/h (182 mph) on a muddy hole 7 metres long by 4 metres wide and 1.5 metres deep, bridged by a section of unsupported track. The engineer felt a slight bump and made a service brake application. The last four trailers and the rear power unit derailed, and the train came to a rocky stop over a distance of 2.3 kilometres (somewhat less than it takes for a conventional emergency stop). It was fortunate that the train did not jackknife or leave the track bed; this is credited in part to the stiffness that the articulated design lends to the train. Only one passenger was injured, and another treated for shock.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Gilligan article takes one piece of information; that research into a theoretically potential design flaw already known to experts in the field is ongoing and blows it up into a story designed with a single purpose in mind; to ignite a flame of panic in the public mindset - this is scurrilous journalism of the lowest possible order and deserves nothing but utter contempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>@Elaine Luk: &#8220;It’s everywhere in the media questioning about the safety of HS2&#8243;</p></blockquote>
<p>Really &#8211; one article has appeared in The Telegraph by Andrew Gilligan, a reporter well known for his visceral hostility to the HS2 project. A synopsis of that article has in turn been syndicated across a number of local titles, virtually all of them in areas close to the route of HS2 &#8211; the only other articles are those like this one regurgitated on anti-HS2 campaign websites &#8211; so hardly &#8220;everywhere in the media&#8221; &#8211; in fact the entire furore revolves around a single article of dubious validity?</p>
<p>Telegraph articles of this nature are routinely enabled for reader comments but for some reason the article in question lacked this feature &#8211; one wonders why? The Gilligan article is blatant scaremongering of worst possible kind &#8211; if the anti-HS2 campaign has now sunk to this level it really is in big trouble. </p>
<p>High Speed Trains already run at the speeds quoted in the article; 360km/h or 225mph. Any cursory search for information about High Speed Trains operating in Europe will reveal that they are amongst the safest in the world &#8211; much safer in comparison to conventional classic line technology trainsets. There hasn&#8217;t been a single fatality on any TGV train operating on a purpose built (complying with the exact same standards as that applying to HS2 construction) High Speed Line (LGV) since the first service ran between Lyon and Paris in 1981. </p>
<p>If you really want evidence to prove how safe these trains are, check out details of the High Speed Derailment on at kilometre post 110.5, LGV Nord (Paris-Lille) high speed line, 21st December 1993. </p>
<blockquote><p>At 0706, TGV 7150 was bearing down at 294 km/h (182 mph) on a muddy hole 7 metres long by 4 metres wide and 1.5 metres deep, bridged by a section of unsupported track. The engineer felt a slight bump and made a service brake application. The last four trailers and the rear power unit derailed, and the train came to a rocky stop over a distance of 2.3 kilometres (somewhat less than it takes for a conventional emergency stop). It was fortunate that the train did not jackknife or leave the track bed; this is credited in part to the stiffness that the articulated design lends to the train. Only one passenger was injured, and another treated for shock.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Gilligan article takes one piece of information; that research into a theoretically potential design flaw already known to experts in the field is ongoing and blows it up into a story designed with a single purpose in mind; to ignite a flame of panic in the public mindset &#8211; this is scurrilous journalism of the lowest possible order and deserves nothing but utter contempt.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rayleigh Waves and HS2 by vtiman</title>
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		<dc:creator>vtiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the media are interested in sensationalism as that sells papers so hardly surprising that they are reporting it. but lets investigate this theory and when it is shown to be just a theory then that will be yet another hs2 myth disproved. why has no-one else mentioned it ? how come sncf havent noticed this, they have had several test trains running at well over 400 kph and the tracks didnt spread or move under the trains ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the media are interested in sensationalism as that sells papers so hardly surprising that they are reporting it. but lets investigate this theory and when it is shown to be just a theory then that will be yet another hs2 myth disproved. why has no-one else mentioned it ? how come sncf havent noticed this, they have had several test trains running at well over 400 kph and the tracks didnt spread or move under the trains ?</p>
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